And let me add to my comment below: very few in the “mainstream” media or Democrat party condemned the BLM and ANTIFA riots in 2020 that impacted dozens of cities, in which over 30 people died, took over neighborhoods and claimed to secede from the union (e.g. Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone) and billions of dollars of property were destroyed. Instead they insisted that the protests were “mostly peaceful”, even when reporting with burning buildings in the background. The establishment’s stance was either the protests were “peaceful” or “riots are the voice of the unheard.”
Somehow when BLM and ANTIFA and anti-Kavanaugh protestors riot and occupy government facilities and burn things and people die it’s OK, and when Trump supporters do it it’s sedition.
Thanks again, and though not really what I'm writing about, it raises an interesting question. I *have* written about Antifa, and to the extent that Antifa is primarily an online group, this article might apply. While Antifa does not seem to be organized, at least the limited evidence we have implies that there are real-world groups supporting Antifa, which may make the claims in this article irrelevant.
BLM has an online publicity component (e.g. #BlackLivesMatter) but seems to be primarily localized, with broader community support. I don't think my description of the role of the internet in insurrection would fit.
Yes, they did, and to the extent that they lack local support, my thesis in this article would apply. My thesis might still apply to BLM and Antifa even with local support, but I haven't looked into the dynamics of competition within local communities, so I can't say for sure.
the reason that all the Trump supporters that I know are angry has nothing to do conspiracy theories. it has to do with the facts that there were massive voting irregularities; the incredible two tiered system of justice in which Clinton commits felonies and isn’t indicted while Trump is impeached without any crime alleged, and in which Biden openly boasted about quid pro quo with Ukraine; nearly unrestricted illegal immigration suppressing wages for working class Americans; and an “elite” class with no allegiance to actual American workers.
First, thanks for posting! I actually love hearing from people, even if you disagree with me.
Allow me to clarify, I live in Alabama and around here we call it Bulls!@#$. The article is about QAnon specifically, although perhaps generalizable to the Proud Boys. There are many Trump voters who subscribe to neither idea, who are organized locally, and/or who have nothing to do with what happened on Jan. 6. This article does not apply to them.
you stated, “ It is one thing to espouse unpopular (and outright false) views online, and another to be associated with attempts to topple a government. ”
yet both of those also apply to BLM, ANTIFA, and their colluders in the Democrat party and mainstream media and tech giants. For example, multiple times they falsely claimed that individuals shot by the police were unarmed, when some of them were in fact armed.
Any false claims, including those about being harassed/shot by police are a problem, to be sure. False claims about police are probably more problematic than regular lies, because: 1) false claims about police are likely to trigger costly investigations, and 2) can put a barrier between the government and the people the government is supposed to serve. I am unaware of any attempt by BLM to topple the US government by either BLM or Antifa. If there is one, it would fall under the same category as a movement to overturn an election.
I think you are drawing distinctions with any meaningful differences. The entire goal of ANTIFAs protests/riots nationwide starting in 2017 and continuing through 2020 was to “topple” and remove Trump and Pence. That’s from their own words.
OMG Talk about a progressive echo chamber. The so called 'putsch' or coup was not the citizen pushback over the obvious theft of the 2020 Presidential election, it is the corrupt to the core deep state and thier mouth breathing socialist control freak minion supporters like this site who are still in dire need of some real world justice.
And let me add to my comment below: very few in the “mainstream” media or Democrat party condemned the BLM and ANTIFA riots in 2020 that impacted dozens of cities, in which over 30 people died, took over neighborhoods and claimed to secede from the union (e.g. Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone) and billions of dollars of property were destroyed. Instead they insisted that the protests were “mostly peaceful”, even when reporting with burning buildings in the background. The establishment’s stance was either the protests were “peaceful” or “riots are the voice of the unheard.”
Somehow when BLM and ANTIFA and anti-Kavanaugh protestors riot and occupy government facilities and burn things and people die it’s OK, and when Trump supporters do it it’s sedition.
Thanks again, and though not really what I'm writing about, it raises an interesting question. I *have* written about Antifa, and to the extent that Antifa is primarily an online group, this article might apply. While Antifa does not seem to be organized, at least the limited evidence we have implies that there are real-world groups supporting Antifa, which may make the claims in this article irrelevant.
BLM has an online publicity component (e.g. #BlackLivesMatter) but seems to be primarily localized, with broader community support. I don't think my description of the role of the internet in insurrection would fit.
ANTIFA and BLM both organized over twitter and facebook.
Yes, they did, and to the extent that they lack local support, my thesis in this article would apply. My thesis might still apply to BLM and Antifa even with local support, but I haven't looked into the dynamics of competition within local communities, so I can't say for sure.
what a load of beltway bovine scatology.
the reason that all the Trump supporters that I know are angry has nothing to do conspiracy theories. it has to do with the facts that there were massive voting irregularities; the incredible two tiered system of justice in which Clinton commits felonies and isn’t indicted while Trump is impeached without any crime alleged, and in which Biden openly boasted about quid pro quo with Ukraine; nearly unrestricted illegal immigration suppressing wages for working class Americans; and an “elite” class with no allegiance to actual American workers.
First, thanks for posting! I actually love hearing from people, even if you disagree with me.
Allow me to clarify, I live in Alabama and around here we call it Bulls!@#$. The article is about QAnon specifically, although perhaps generalizable to the Proud Boys. There are many Trump voters who subscribe to neither idea, who are organized locally, and/or who have nothing to do with what happened on Jan. 6. This article does not apply to them.
you stated, “ It is one thing to espouse unpopular (and outright false) views online, and another to be associated with attempts to topple a government. ”
yet both of those also apply to BLM, ANTIFA, and their colluders in the Democrat party and mainstream media and tech giants. For example, multiple times they falsely claimed that individuals shot by the police were unarmed, when some of them were in fact armed.
Any false claims, including those about being harassed/shot by police are a problem, to be sure. False claims about police are probably more problematic than regular lies, because: 1) false claims about police are likely to trigger costly investigations, and 2) can put a barrier between the government and the people the government is supposed to serve. I am unaware of any attempt by BLM to topple the US government by either BLM or Antifa. If there is one, it would fall under the same category as a movement to overturn an election.
several security experts state that the goal of ANTIFA is to overthrow the US government.
That seems plausible, but so far, they haven't actually tried.
I think you are drawing distinctions with any meaningful differences. The entire goal of ANTIFAs protests/riots nationwide starting in 2017 and continuing through 2020 was to “topple” and remove Trump and Pence. That’s from their own words.
OMG Talk about a progressive echo chamber. The so called 'putsch' or coup was not the citizen pushback over the obvious theft of the 2020 Presidential election, it is the corrupt to the core deep state and thier mouth breathing socialist control freak minion supporters like this site who are still in dire need of some real world justice.
I don't understand what you have said here. Can you clarify?